Sara Peters: Date Set for Next McKinnon Extradition Epic Fail

The next episode in the 10-year saga of the "UFO hacker" extradition battle will happen Oct. 16.
9/10/2012 | 16 comments
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Tuscany   Date Set for Next McKinnon Extradition Epic Fail   11/28/2013 3:52:04 PM
Re: The answer is no
@Sara   Incredible.   It will be interesting to see what happens next.  I would think the U.S. tries him in the British courts which have already shown their disposition towards the issue.   Might just have to content with monitoring is every movement into perpetuity.
Tuscany   Date Set for Next McKinnon Extradition Epic Fail   11/28/2013 3:43:27 PM
McKinnon's Syndrome Saver
Thank you Sara for letting us know about McKinnon, there is so much going on now-a-days - it is hard for me to keep up with the latest hacker and the issues that come from it.  

I had agreed that there would be no legal resolution anytime soon.   Only to learn from the thread that he will not be extrdicted !  Due to his condition ?   What a convient excuse.    And so it goes....

And yet I hesitate to really call this a crime, since it really depends on your point of view.
Pablo Valerio   Date Set for Next McKinnon Extradition Epic Fail   10/18/2012 2:58:46 PM
Re: The answer is no
@Sara, I'm in London now and it is interesting to read what the British newspapers say:

"The Home Secretary has done what no British minister has dared to do for at least two decades — stand up to Uncle Sam."

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2218740/Gary-McKinnon-extradition-At-A-minister-stands-Uncle-Sam.html#ixzz29g7lWbW5 

This is just an example, but people here are beggining to look at the possibility that the UK will try to stop sending its citizens abroad to be tried for similar crimes -something unthinkable in most European countries.
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Sara Peters   Date Set for Next McKinnon Extradition Epic Fail   10/16/2012 2:59:55 PM
The answer is no
The verdict is in: The UK Home Secretary decided that McKinnon will not be extradited, based upon his medical condition. I'm not sure what happens next. More here.
mejiac   Date Set for Next McKinnon Extradition Epic Fail   9/30/2012 10:00:30 PM
Re: Ciber Crimce vs Real Crime
@zerox203,

It would be interesting to see business strategies developed to address these concerns, leading companies to have everything in spot to avoid any possible concerns.

And I think you're right, seeing it as individual rights is the way to go.
zerox203   Date Set for Next McKinnon Extradition Epic Fail   9/30/2012 9:04:12 PM
Re: Ciber Crimce vs Real Crime
@mejiac, absolutely. The thing is, too, that that's just one example of the kind of thing we're dealing with - it could get a lot worse than that, especially given a few years for cloud and the like to develop! Those steps (or their equivalence) could happen in any order, and solving that specific puzzle doesn't help international law organizations all that much.

Even if one country has it figured out, that doesn't help us when that country isn't involved in a given case. Not only do the laws need to be reformed from the ground up, but international governments need to co-operate in a very fundamental way that they haven't before. Maybe co-operate isn't the right word; it might be better for individual rights if they don't - but the rules need to be established.
mejiac   Date Set for Next McKinnon Extradition Epic Fail   9/30/2012 7:55:48 PM
Re: Ciber Crimce vs Real Crime
@zerox203,

Let's paint a picture: You have a US base company seeking cloud services from a company in the UK, but then servers are located in Ireland. Then someone makes an attack from Spain to the servers in Ireland.... it's a jurisdiction nightmare!
mejiac   Date Set for Next McKinnon Extradition Epic Fail   9/30/2012 7:53:17 PM
Re: Ciber Crimce vs Real Crime
@zerox203,

And even more so with everyday cloud solutions being offered. As has been mentioned on this site various times, security and safety of data is a major concern. I guess this goes to show that we got a long way to go, and we're literally paving the road as we go.
Sara Peters   Date Set for Next McKinnon Extradition Epic Fail   9/30/2012 7:33:57 PM
Re: Epic Fail
@zerox  I agree with you that cross-border cyber crime is one of the greatest challenges the legal system has been faced with in a very, very, long time. The thing is, most cybercrime is really just regular crime that happens to be committed by way of using computer systems. So maybe the laws don't need to change at all. We don't need new laws to fight cybercrime. We just need to establish some law enforcement procedures and some acknowledgement of the fact that the geographic boundaries that exist in the physical world simply don't exist in the virtual world.
zerox203   Date Set for Next McKinnon Extradition Epic Fail   9/30/2012 4:49:40 PM
Re: Ciber Crimce vs Real Crime
You're right, Mejiac. Thinking of this as a small window of opportunity or a minor niche, as soom do, is really missing the point. We're talking about a huge issue that will affect our everyday lives in the near future. Of course, most of use the internet on a daily basis already, but that only goes to show how deeply rooted it will be in everything we and our governments do in the next five or ten years.

Cyber crime will be extremely possible and extremely lucrative on it's own. The ability to hit targets all over the world without moving, under a veil of secrecy is a criminal's dream come true. Once you mix in the fact that the laws for prosecuting those who are caught are muddy at best, all bets are off. This issue can't be tackled soon enough.
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