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Joe Stanganelli   Retailers & Banks Brace for the 'Right to be Forgotten'   4/15/2012 3:20:57 AM
Re: The iTunes Method or Opt out
Excellent point, Pablo.  Any time gov't wants to pass a law regulating or restricting business in any way, the lobbyists cry loudly.

I'm certainly no communitarian, but one has to take the source into consideration when weighing the quality of arguments and determining whether or not to take statements of "fact" at face value.
Joe Stanganelli   Retailers & Banks Brace for the 'Right to be Forgotten'   4/15/2012 3:17:41 AM
Re: The iTunes Method
Hi, Dave.

Re: "I can't really see how this can be done without really destroying the economy tech companies are built on."

A significant economic cost, sure, but "destroying" seems a bit maudlin.   Retailers and banks survived and thrived long before our "drop your pants and give up your privacy" age.  If every company is subject to these laws in the applicable jurisdictions, it's hard to see how this would put any particular business at a serious disadvantage.  What's more, based on Pablo's description, it's hard to see how this is unduly burdensome on the compliance side of things.

Joe Stanganelli   Retailers & Banks Brace for the 'Right to be Forgotten'   4/15/2012 3:12:38 AM
Re: The iTunes Method
I haven't read it as of yet, Pablo, but that sounds terrific for consumers!  Thanks for sharing those details with us.
Pablo Valerio   Retailers & Banks Brace for the 'Right to be Forgotten'   3/30/2012 10:28:45 AM
Re: no more big brother
@fbpmt. That is not possible. According with the new rules explicit agreement has to be given for each time they want to process information, and has to be separate from the genaral agreements.

There is special concern about mobile devices, in that case the user needs to opt-in for any kind of tracking, and the service can't be denied if the user decides not to do so.
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fbpmt   Retailers & Banks Brace for the 'Right to be Forgotten'   3/29/2012 9:14:49 PM
Re: no more big brother
What about sneaking in the legal right to obtain that info via the update agreement too long and tiny fonts and anything else so we do not read it and blindly accept whatever legalities they want?
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kstaron   Retailers & Banks Brace for the 'Right to be Forgotten'   3/29/2012 2:59:11 PM
no more big brother
Some companies seem to favor the "big Brother" I'll keep tabs on everything you do mentality. This is a great way for customers to be able to control their information. If they still want the data, they provide incentives for it. If this becomes normal, how will it affect your data collection?
DBK   Retailers & Banks Brace for the 'Right to be Forgotten'   3/27/2012 4:14:57 PM
Re: The iTunes Method or Opt out
A side note on the brick and mortar vs click and order.  As products get so highly commoditized it gets harder and harder for brick and mortar companies to stay in business and be profitable.  The larger volume establishments with lower cost of overhead get stronger and the local retailers get crushed.  In addition to our desire to protect our data I also hope we protect our local vendors.  Of course we exercise our vote on who will win when we buy online.
DBK   Retailers & Banks Brace for the 'Right to be Forgotten'   3/27/2012 4:11:45 PM
Re: The iTunes Method or Opt out
Pablo - You have better insight into this condition than I do.  I appreciate your point of view regarding the brick and mortar retailers who have expertise on capturing your data.  One additional observation is that the two organizations you mentioned also have an on-line environment.  So my question would be what drivers that data capture?  My guess would be the online experience and then the pull through this the brick and mortar. 
Pablo Valerio   Retailers & Banks Brace for the 'Right to be Forgotten'   3/27/2012 3:58:29 PM
Re: The iTunes Method or Opt out

I think the Impact Assessment summary from the Comission can answer some of the questions about that.  

"The envisaged actions are proportionate as they are within the scope of the Union competences as defined by the Treaties and are necessary to ensure uniformity of application of EU legislation, ensuring effective and equal protection of individuals' fundamental rights. Action at EU level is essential to continue ensuring credibility and a high level of data protection in a globalised world, while maintaining the free flow of data. The proper functioning of the internal market requires that the provisions ensure a level playing field for economic operators."
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Pablo Valerio   Retailers & Banks Brace for the 'Right to be Forgotten'   3/27/2012 3:22:42 PM
Re: The iTunes Method or Opt out
In the brick and mortar experience do they also capture my data and repurpose it?  Maybe but I don't think so, not like the on line analytics.

@DBK, actually they do.. if you use a loyalty card or the same credit card on your purchases. Target is an expert in creating customer's profiles, so B&N and other reatilers.
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